Quote from Gimpster :

We need a car like a built sonthing like a miata, they are just so dam fun to drive.

Yeah, just imagine being able to drive something with the same specs as a miata, then having the ability to use the same size tyre you use in RL. Figure out your spring rates etc and get it set up just like your real life car and go for some fun LFS autox driving!

I like using 11, but I don't think I currently have any skins with a number on...

Quote from Gimpster :

My car is a 1994 Mazda Miata 1.8L with 140BHP and 100FT LBS of torque. The car weighs 2300lbs with the roll bar, is lowered with sport suspension and shocks, upgraded swaybars, about 2 degrees of negitive camber and has a weight distibution of 50/50. Its much like the XR GT but a little lighter and a little less power. The handeling though is completely different for some reason. I would be more then willing to take the time to take mesurments and do some testing if the devs want an additional refference model to verify their physics on.

One difference is that the suspension is MacPherson Strut on the XR GT, rather than double wishbone. I don't know how much difference this makes, but surely it's significant as you don't have as much control over camber compared to a double wishbone setup.

Anyone with more knowledge on how the suspension type affects the handling can comment at any time!

Quote from Viper93 :

Gimpster is trying to say that the road tires give over too easy this has nothing to do with revised susupensions. Gimpster has a car and has taken it onto autocross tracks and he is saying that the street tires in LFS flex too much to compair with their RL counterparts.

I think he is partly right. They do flex too much in LFS but I think that has to do with the low pressures that are used with the road tires. In RL you run performance street tires at 50PSI or so on a track to prevent the sidewall from leaning over too far and damaging the sidewall which you don't have to worry about in LFS so everyone runs 25 pounds or so because thats where optimum grip is, even for performance street tires.

You don't put 50 PSI in steet tires in RL because thats where optimum grip is, you do it purely to prevent the sidewalls from giving out is what I am trying to say. IF RL sidewalls didn't give out and breakdown then everyone would be running 30PSI or so...even on the track like LFS.

Good point. This is also especially true in real life because a lot of cars are seriously limited with regards to camber adjustability, maybe only getting a maximum of 1 degree in some cases. This of course results in an even higher pressure needed to prevent rolling over onto the sidewall.

Quote from JTbo :

This video shows tyre deformation of low profile performance tyre, I think most tires should deform more in LFS as profile is higher, but judge by yourselfs.

Another important factor in this video is that the tyres are stretched over a wide rim, which stiffens the sidewalls up a lot to improve things for drifting. The combination of this and the low profile means they will not flex a lot...

Quote from Sticky-Micky :

swain drift is the best IMO

I like this one a lot too. I also like drifting on circuits at higher speeds, but I probably enjoy drifting on layouts in the autox area most.

To be honest, I am not hugely smitten by either. I have never been a big fan of the Maserati. I absolutely loved the DB9 when it first came out, and whenever I see it in the skin, it does remind me how pretty it is. But, and I can't put my finger on it, there is just something about the DB9 that I am not hugely keen on. Sometimes I'll see a pic of it and it just looks perfect, other times I don't love it so much. It just doesn't make me melt every time I see it, like some of my absolute favourites.

Yeah, $55 seems like quite a lot, but most PS & Xbox games are $50-70 these days. And I've spent more time on LFS than all my PS games combined

Interesting. Yeah, I've tried selecting from the list and also choosing "other" and browsing for the LFS.exe, with no success so far.

Patussay, that's interesting. I don't understand how that would make it work, but if you say it's worked for you then it's worth a try.

Edit: I created a file "LFS S2.exe" in my LFS folder, as suggested by Patussay, and sure enough once I set the files to open with that, they're working. Thanks for the tip. I wonder if this is required due to a change in how things are done with the last patch?

Last edited by Michael Denham, Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:49.

I have just tried the File Associator, and it appears to work, as in it shows the LFS icon on the file types I selecetd. But when I double click the file, I still get the error box saying this is not a valid Win32 application. I check in LFS, but the file has not been copied. Hmm. Anyone else experienced this?

Thanks.

Do I mind when someone joins midrace, keeping out of the way of others who are racing? No.

Do I mind when someone pulls out of the pits infront of the action, holds people up and then tries to race people who are several laps into their race already? Yes.

Generally I don't find it a problem, people are usually pretty respectful. Now and then though, it can be really annoying!

This isn't directly relating to your comments about sense of speed, but one reason sense of speed feels lower in LFS is that on a circuit (compared to the street), there is a lot more space, decreasing the sense of speed. I know you're talking about how the car feels when you're going quickly, but this is another important thing to look at regarding sense of speed.

Yeah, in the past I've not needed to use this program, I've just been able to select LFS from the list of programs to 'open with', and this has worked. For some reason I've not managed to get this working lately. I guess it's a problem with my PC as I doubt anything has changed in LFS that would have any impact on this.

Thanks, I will give that a go later.

Yeah, so it means you don't drive on it. But what's wrong with other people liking the oval? Obviously people do. I find nascar a snoozefest but I don't try and tell the people who watch it they're wrong for enjoying it. Good for them. I wish I enjoyed it, then I'd have something to watch 95% of the time on Speed channel. Anyway, I don't see the point in telling people they're wrong for liking something. It's all subjective...

I remember a while back, there was the fantastic little feature where if you double clicked on a replay (while on your desktop, not in LFS itself), it would open LFS and play the replay. When you did the same thing with a setup, it would copy the setup to your 'settings' folder in LFS.

Lately, when trying to do either of these, I have run into problems. I have tried setting 'open with...' to LFS, and this appears to have worked. However, the icon on the file does not change to the LFS icon, and when I click on the file (whether it's a replay or setup) it brings up an error box saying the file is not a valid Win32 application. Also, when I click on the file properties, at the bottom, under security, it says 'This file came from another computer and might be blocked to help protect this computer'. When I click 'unblock', it doesn't make a difference.

I hope this helps and someone is able to give me some advice on this, as it's a fantastic feature, and I hope I can get it working again!

Thanks.

Quote from BrandonAGr :

I wouldn't want to ride on something like that where one programming glitch and it can smash you into the ground and kill you.

Yeah, or a hydraulics failure or any number of potential things like that...

Interesting post Niels, thanks for the input. Although I wasn't hugely fast at GPL (8:07 at the 'Ring), I had no troubles without FF. I agree the DFP is slow and heavy when you're trying to turn the wheel quickly. For the most part though I find it alright. Hopefully one day we'll have the speed and precision of a decent non-FF wheel with FF.

I just emailed you to enquire further about the league but it looks like you've covered all my questions here!

I think the FF discussion is an interesting one. I raced GPL from when it came out without FF, and LFS from when it came out without FF. The first time I used FF was maybe 2 years ago. Since then I got a DFP, and I'm not sure I am any faster than I was without FF, but I do feel more involved and I enjoy it more. I am probably more consistent too. I do agree though that you can be just as fast without FF.

I had been following the track usage for a while, noticed last week I think that Blackwood went past the oval. Kind of nice to see Another one I've been keeping an eye on is the LX4 vs LX6 use. LX6 was about 20,000 laps behind the LX4 for a long time, then it got a lot closer quickly, now the gap has spread further, and the XRG jumped above the LX6 also.

Even the was not enough to save you from having to explain your post! Ah well.

I agree we should stick with the three classes for now. Nice to have some discussion of options for the future though, for sure. Can't wait to see how things pan out.

One thing I would suggest, get rid of the extra point for overall winner. Obviously it's going to be a GT1 (barring some freak problems that knock them all out!), so you're pretty much just making the points 11, 8... etc for GT1 instead of 10, 8... etc as is the case for the other classes. What does everyone else think about this?

Nice screenshots, by the way...

I'm in with the LX6.

Quote from Hyperactive :

Had some great battles in the race with Vain and later with Michael. And had 20% too much fuel in the end

Yeah, you pit stop was longer than mine, I managed to jump you there...I think I added 70% when I stopped.

I think it went pretty smoothly for the most part apart from the unfortunate disconnects. My connection was always really smooth, no lag. Very nice.

I can see this being a lot of fun with more cars in each class. One thing I just thought about was the possibility of running two classes instead of three, that would potentially increase numbers per class. Just a thought for the future, depending on how things turn out....